An actual update! Wow!
Just saying. The Thing is still poking along the old highways and byways inside o’ me. Will be very glad when it finally makes its way out. Not looking for sympathy – just a fairly legitimate reason why I find it hard to concentrate lately. Once this thing has found the way home I will be in a much better place without unpredictable sudden doublings over and reaching for narcotics. 😉
Get well soon JED.
As for the comic, triple headshot, that leaves 3 more?
I thought there were 8.
I like the magic bullet U-turn move… way better than the U-bend pipe trick used in ‘Space Balls’… and to music even.
The “Bent Pipe Redirects Bullets”-gag was done much better in Terry Gilliam’s “Adventures of Baron Munchausen”, IMHO.
UM – just to be clear, I’m saying Gilliam did it better than “Space Balls”, not better than JED.
You don’t mess with Mentl.
Hell you don’t mess with Mentl, Zona or her sis, or moma etc. etc.
hell even some mafia families might think twice….there is idea have the hairless goons try and hire some real world muscle….at the very least, Mentl and the gang are less likely to see it coming. Keep in mind this requires the evil one to take note that his goons just don’t blend thus they are not but cannon fodder.
Get well JED! Love this page!
Lordy…Michael has definitely upped all aspects of his game…I think that the remainder of this encounter is going to be equally messy…which is why they had better get back to Zona’s home turf quick…I sense an escalation in the force… 😉
Mentl said ” 8 no 9 I think” and 6 down and 3 to go.
6 down, 3 to go, and the scores are Mentyl 4, Zona, 2.
Zona’s going to have to do some quick catching up before they run out of bad guys methinks..
Time for my usual nitpicky digression, would a pistol and two semi-autos have the exact same muzzle velocity?
if they’re all firing 9mm rounds then probably, near enough to make no difference at any rate.
Plus then they may have magic in them, that’s facing mentl’s magic and it’s all a massive cinematic scene of ‘hey kids, check out what we learned off panel!”
That’s not exactly a pistol. The semi-autos are clearly older-model Uzi 9mms. The “pistol” design says it’s definitely a sub-machine gun too, just firing single-shot with a short magazine. Detail is too low for me to place the type (anyone else have a guess?), but the majority of sub-machine guns out there are 9mm.
So, 3 sub-machine guns of 2 different types, very likely all 9mm, at a range where muzzle velocity differences wouldn’t be that noticeable, and would be canceled by the decelerating effect of Mentl’s spell anyway.
Heckler & Koch MP5K. I guarantee it. 2 Uzis and an MP5 variant. All most commonly shoot 9mm, all are submachine guns, NONE are semi-automatics, strictly speaking.
AR-15s are semi-automatics; Glocks are semi-automatics; they fire once per trigger pull. All submacine guns are FULLY automatic. The gun will continue to fire as long as the trigger is held and there is ammo in the gun. Full autos may have the option to fire single shots like a semi auto, but it does not become a semi auto.
Sorry for the rant, but I find precision of terminology to be absolutely critical in this area, otherwise people start believing the garbage they are told to get their support for the latest anti-gun law.
I don’t meanto be picky or start an argument but ‘select fire’ is the appropriate term I was taught for that particular class of weapon.
‘full auto’ is a mode of fire determined by the position of the sear/safety sear/disconnector/etc. in a select fire weapon.
Very few personal weapons are ‘full auto only’, usually LMG’s or ‘machine guns’ although even a browning .50 can be operated in a form of single shot mode.
Semi-auto or ‘repetition’ is either a design or a selectable state of a select fire weapon.
An SMG is by definition capable of full auto fire, otherwise it isn’t a SMG, but doesn’t have to be used in that state (for 99% of them). Both the Uzi and MP5 are select-fire weapons and are used in the different modes for different purposes, although most often the single shot mode is used to conserve ammunition and for better accuracy.
I’ve found out, over 40+ years of use, that rapid semi-auto fire will give generally result in more hits than automatic fire for the majority of weapons except in limited circumstances, although with the proper hold close range tight groups are certainly possible in bursts or for the odd one for entire magazines.
In this case, single shots would be a much better choice for the aggressors since firing one handed almost guarantees the second and subsequent shots of any burst would be far off target and magazine changes while steering a motorcycle could be a difficult procedure.
All that said, how about featuring my own favourite issue weapon sometime, the Sterling SMG ? 😉
Second the Stirling vote.
“…even a browning .50 can be operated in a form of single shot mode.”
As legendary USMC sniper Carlos “White Feather” Hathcock proved, by nailing an enemy at ~2,500 yards (over 1.5 miles) that way. It was the all-time sniper record, before some Canadians used a dedicated .50 cal sniper rifle to beat it at the Battle of Tora Bora in Afghanistan.
The hell of it is, that wasn’t even Hathcock’s most awesome shot. He got one enemy sniper (“The Cobra”) by shooting him right through the scope, eye, and brain. The only way that’s even possible is if both snipers are zeroed in on each other.
We’ll know Mentl has really achieved mastery when he can pull off a reverso like that.
Select fire is an accurate term in this case since both types of firearm here are capable of multiple modes of fire. Referring to the gun itself as being a full auto is probably somewhat imprecise, but I was specifically addressing Joe calling the Uzis semi autos. You are correct.
I have heard of some crude SMGs which were FA-only, since adding a semi auto sear and/or disconnector was considered unnecessary complexity and expense.
I’m in agreement with you regarding FA vs. SA for accuracy and effectiveness. About the only real use for FA is suppression fire. FA sure is fun though!
+1 for Sterling BTW. COOL gun, that.
just as an aside, the Sterling or C1 SMG as we called it is very well balanced in operation and quite capable of putting a 30 round magazine in the 10 ring in one burst at close range, say 10 yards, not all SMG’s can. The Uzi, for example, has a surprising amount of recoil for an SMG and can be difficult to use without a lot of practice. The C1 SMG was my personal issue weapon for almost 20 years and one of the few SMG’s with a bayonet mount, something Zona would likely find an interesting use for 😉
At the range this encounter is taking place, muzzle velocity from modern firearms would make very little measurable difference. The fractions of a second in difference between them pulling the triggers would be a far larger factor.
that said, the previous comments pretty much cover it. The weapons are probably 9 mm, although there can be differences in the powder and the load used. Machine pistols use higher pressure loads that are not generally recommended for use in regular pistols, especially if they aren’t military grade.
And, magic. They’re manufactured/conjured weapons, so all bets are pretty much off trying to draw exact parallels with ballistics & bullet grain & powder/pressure/load as we would normally try to analyze in our world.
Can’t help myself – snickering over the worst cases of ‘whiplash’ ever seen.
It that lives by the SMG shall die by the blues.
I’ve been wondering about something since the beginning of this encounter. Usually I could infer a link between the song Mentl used and its effects (“Great Balls of Fire” rings a fond bell) but here I cannot make it. Can someone please help me out?
Magic is about intent. The chant is for focus. Tula gave a lecture on that a while back.
Mentl has learned intent. The literal words will have less and less meaning, what is in his heart, mind and soul will have more and more. Very much like the old lady he cured at the bus stop by playing Here Comes the Sun.
For Who Do You Love?, I think it’s more about sheer badassery and the raw power of intent to just grab the very wind with your hands and make it obey your will. Also, building chimneys for your house out of human skulls, having a tombstone head and a graveyard mind … the lyrics aren’t identical for all covers of this tune (although Mentl seems to be singing pretty close to the original). A talented musician can ad lib a line or two in the heat of a song and make it mean whatever he wants it to mean.
In this case, it’s a love song. To one of the most dangerous warriors to ever stalk her world or ours … sort of an ode to Valentine’s Day. 😉
rattle snake whip for the turning the bullets around effect I would assume.
The song is “Who Do You Love” by George Thorogood & the Destroyers. And it all fits in with Zona being shot, the whole chorus part of the song is “Who do you love?” and then Mentl is going ballistic on the demons for real now.
It is NOT “by” Thorogood. They just covered a classic that’s been covered a lot over the decades (and, a somewhat disappointing and juvenile cover, at that).
Bo Diddley wrote it in 1956.
Amen. Though I might have phrased it:
“Thorogood? HEY, Bo Diddley! 🙂
Nice reconnaissance theory, by the way.
Not terribly relevant to the conversation, but Thorogood is one of the acts at Moondance Jam this July.
Wonderful comic, Jed! I hope you’re feeling better soon too.
Mentl works his magic now. Beautifully, it’s like a dance.
Using uzi-style machine guns, it’s interesting they fire a single round each. Imagine if they’d done a small 5- or 7-shot burst. Each. That would have been the last panel of this arc, as far as the goons are concerned.
And Zona wold have a big dissapoint.
Speculating further, I think these guys will just evaporate away like the one the cat beheaded. Also, it seems, the sublimation will be very complete, probably accounting for clothes, bikes, guns, shell casings, etc.
And, they’ll probably just end up in the OtherWhen in some form or another of disrepair.
But, I don’t think (anymore) that it was ever expected that they would take Mentl or any of the others out. It seems this is more reconnaissance. Mentl’s capabilities are being probed. He brought himself (and his surprisingly powerful command of an unfamiliar magic) to Shuach’s attention. Shuach is just trying to gather intelligence on his enemy.
We, on this side of the Fourth Wall, know something that Mentl does not: these goons aren’t getting killed here. They can be sent away by magic or damage … but they continue to exist and can report back in the OtherWhen.
If Tula and Mentl knew this, they would probably want to devise a plan to capture (at least) one of them and conduct an interrogation. I think this is going to bite them in the ass before long, unless Vito is ‘allowed’ to drop some advice their way and give them a heads’ up.
Never bet against the one true god of the Zonaverse, JED. He always wins.
However I do like your analysis however, they are not alive and cannot die so they can report back to whatever the controller is.
3xp4t: “Using uzi-style machine guns, it’s interesting they fire a single round each. Imagine if they’d done a small 5- or 7-shot burst. Each. That would have been the last panel of this arc, as far as the goons are concerned.”
Though JED’s sound effect can only be made by firing several rounds, barring the classic “it’s magic!” out. JED may not know this, he may. If the latter, perhaps Mentl only grabbed the bullets that were anywhere close. Because even if you’re from the otherwhen, trying to make accurate shots with an Uzi, against a moving target, while riding a bike yourself, and firing one-handed… let’s just say I’m glad there are no bystanders.
Interesting lyrics when your putting holes in ‘ah’ people.
Love the between the lines comment, JED. Yeah, I think that’s the goons’ attitude.
Okay, it’s driving me nuts — what kind of motorcycle are the first two goons on?
Did a bit of google-foo and couldn’t find anything in Real Life. That double-front fork and rear suspension is very unusual, probably custom if it’s real. The engine block shape to the very low & front I don’t recognize, and the 90° frame attach that runs through it is also nothing I remember. Those knee guards aren’t common, very often an aftermarket feature, and they’re unusual size & shape.
One of the previous strips looked like it had a partial “Vincent” under the goon’s knee, but virtually nothing about these bikes looks like any Vincent I’ve ever seen. Also, the very front fender tip has a “V” on it. It’s a weird-looking hybrid to me. Has some classic lines you’d expect on a mid-50s Harley, but those front & back forks are modern hi-tech. Also, these are chain drive, and the engine block on one is stamped “600,” presumably CCs displacement.
So, all that said, I found a 3D Poser render page for something called a “Viking” that’s a pretty-much dead match, all the way down to the cute saddle bags slung forward on the gas tank:
I don’t think this is a real bike. I’m not an expert or advanced hobbyist, but I know a bit a bout older Harley, Indians and Vincents and this is nothing like anything they put out … unless it was an unusual experimental or heavily modified aftermarket.
That double front fork has been bothering me for a while, BTW. Old Harleys from the 1940s and earlier have them, but they don’t look anything so robust as these “Vikings.”
Google “motorcycle harley vintage” and image search to find examples.
Clearly, you nailed it. But it’s a DAZ 3D render.
JED. I hope all is getting settled on the home front, it being Valentines Day, and blood all over the place, and WHO DO YOU LOVE, being the last three words we’ve heard Mental say.
In one regard it’s a good thing those goons don’t leave bodies.
Can you imagine the cops trying to explain how these three guys shot themselves, center-shot in the forehead, two of them using long guns, while riding motorcycles?
JED, you okay? Are you in the hospital?
I aitn’t dead yet.
I will update tomorrow, I think.
Yeah! and I hope your personally doing a lot better then, ain’t dead yet. Been there done that, taint fun, don’t wanna do it no more…..
I’d hope that, if you ever were, that somebody has the keys to the website and would let us know. Even if you were mostly dead.
And, also hoping that doesn’t happen for a very long and prosperous lifetime.
Anyway, keep on keepin’ on, dude. Hope to hear that things are improving, and always looking forward to anything you can share with us.
JED and I had a nice chat (can you even put it that way?) about the awfulness of stubborn-to-move kidneystones, but his stone is on its way. Well, okay, the subject matter wasn’t pleasant (kidneystones, ouch!), but the chance to chat with him was nice.
For everyone else, while we’re on the subject of kidneystones…yes, it’s a TMI, but check the color of your urine; if it’s not a clean to light yellow, you’re not drinking enough WATER. Be careful on the sodas and the coffee, as those are diuretics. That means they make you pee more often, and while that may sound like a good thing in conjunction with keeping down kidneystones, it’s actually going to add to ’em, because if you’re expelling more than you’re drinking, the liquid volume in your body is going to go down, which will concentrate ureic (sp?) salts and stuff, which will make more ‘stones. So, you can mix in a few things like juice or soda or coffee, but remember to drink water, too.
*hugs everyone* *…ruthlessly cuddlehugs, bwahahaha!*
Thanks, Jean, for the tips… I for one am grateful that you care enough to share ’em! 😀
Well, I’m very glad an update is coming, after a long hiatus that happened when we were starting to hope things were getting back to normal. However, if you’re struggling with kidney stones now, it’s quite understandable; and I’m sad you’re facing that after facing personal problems as well.
“About the only real use for FA is suppression fire.”
What about dealing with hostiles at short distances ?
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